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Re: Old Vellum: A retraction--not a chance



This may be a bit off the subject, but why do teachers always say their
students have "studs in their heads"? Not every student will be thrilled to
be studying medieval literature, but they aren't necessarily block-heads.
Don't forget there are those students out there who find your classes
challenging and enlightening.

Ann A. Student

----- Original Message -----
From: "j. l. t." <luriete@CSUS.EDU>
To: <BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: Old Vellum: A retraction--not a chance


> Wow. This guy must be the most pompous, self-important twit I have ever
> had the interesting experience of encountering.
>
> Just a suggestion though, Mr. Werner and all others - let's not compare
> biographies here (I am certainly, through faults solely my own, not half
> as brilliant as your fine self) and just get back to the discussion, OK?
>
> Thanks much
>
> Joshua Lurie-Terrell
> designer / typographer / letterer
> design and publications division
> California State Senate
>
> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Paul T Werner wrote:
>
> > Robert, I had read my first Plato dialogue, as well as sizeable chunks
of
> > Homer (both in the original), by the time I was 16. I've published
> > translations from the Medieval Latin, and not published translations
from
> > the Medieval German, French and Occitan. Right now I'm preparing a
course
> > (for my adorable students with studs in their heads) which includes
> > comparisons between a 17th-century Mexican villancico (in the original)
> > and the text to a Bach cantata - in the original. Now tell me, from
whence
> > do *you* derive your claim to defend the past? From watching Masturbate
> > Theater?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Robert Lovell wrote:
> >
> > > I too am a lurker. I must say that I most assurredly agree with
Suzanne.
> > > It would seem that Dr. Werner's boorishness is exceeded only by his
> > > inability to distinquish between the future and the past.  Invest in
the
> > > former, preserve the latter.
> > >
> > > GREENMAN
> > > Brookside Bindery
> > > West Chesterfield, MA.
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > >From: Suzanne Tourtillott <suzanne@LARKBOOKS.COM>
> > > >To: BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > > >Subject: Re: Old Vellum:  A retraction--not a chance
> > > >Date: Wed, Aug 30, 2000, 4:35 PM
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Mostly I lurk here, but this response ("Mommy") is not helpful to
me; it
> > > > sheds no new light on the subject. Let's try to act like
professionals.
> > > >
> > > >>Yes, Mommy.
> > > >>
> > > >>On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Blunt, Dorothy wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Mr. Draper -
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I agree with you - one cannot assume, just because it was found at
a flea
> > > >>> market in Europe, or The Antiques Garage off Sixth Ave., that a
vellum
> > > >>> document is worthless for anything but dismantling and reusing as
an
> > > >>> artistic practice piece.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It might actually BE worthless (Mr. Minsky was correct when he
pointed out
> > > >>> that Not Everything Old is Valuable).  However, it is a very bad
idea to
> > > >>> ASSUME that it is worthless because it isn't aesthetically
pleasing.  One
> > > >>> should always check with an expert in the correct field, before
determining
> > > >>> a piece of 18th Century vellum contains no pertinent historical
information.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Dr. Werner certainly isn't "chopped liver" when it comes to Art
History, but
> > > >>> I do wonder whether his Ph.D. in Medieval Art History introduced
him to the
> > > >>> interests of Genealogists, Historians or other perusers of 18th
and 19th
> > > >>> Century documents.  His statement "I'll always invest in the
future over the
> > > >>> past" doesn't seem to be coming from a very archival point of
view.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thank you for your passionate and well written "Retraction - Not a
Chance!"
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Dolly Blunt
> > > >>> Preservation Officer
> > > >>> Florida State Archives
> > > >>> dblunt@mail.dos.state.fl.us
> > > >>>
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> > > >>
> > >
>>**************************************************************************
*
> > > >>Paul Werner, New York City
> > > >>www.theorangepress.com
> > > >>    DRAGONSBLOOD AND ASHES: a project to research and teach the
> > > >>techniques of the Medieval scribe and artist.
> > > >>     THE ORANGE PRESS: most recent titles: "The WOID Reader," and
"Vellum
> > > >>Preparation: History and Technique."
> > > >>     WOID: a journal of visual language in New York, including
reviews,
> > > >>listings and resources.
> > > >>
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Suzanne J. E. Tourtillott
> > > > Editor
> > > > Lark Books
> > > > 50 College Street
> > > > Asheville, North Carolina, USA
> > > > Tel: (828) 253-0467 x312
> > > > Fax: (828) 253-7952
> > > > e-mail: suzanne@larkbooks.com
> > > >
> > > > http://www.larkbooks.com/
> > > >
> > > > Littera Scripta Manet. Volat Irrevocabili Verbum.
> > > > The written word remains. The spoken word takes wing and cannot be
> > > > recalled.
> > > >
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> >
> >
***************************************************************************
> > Paul Werner, New York City
> > www.theorangepress.com
> >     DRAGONSBLOOD AND ASHES: a project to research and teach the
> > techniques of the Medieval scribe and artist.
> >      THE ORANGE PRESS: most recent titles: "The WOID Reader," and
"Vellum
> > Preparation: History and Technique."
> >      WOID: a journal of visual language in New York, including reviews,
> > listings and resources.
> >
> >              ***********************************************
> >             BOOK_ARTS-L: The listserv for all the book arts.
> >       For subscription information, the Archive, and other related
> >             resources and links go to the Book_Arts-L FAQ at:
> >                       <http://www.philobiblon.com>
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> >
>
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>       For subscription information, the Archive, and other related
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