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> There are 10 messages totalling 564 lines in this issue.
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> Topics of the day:
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>   1. Video on bookbinding (6)
>   2. Help needed
>   3. Handmade Book Cloth
>   4. Backing Book Cloth (2)
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> Date:    Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:18:06 -0800
> From:    "Jack C. Thompson" <tcl@TELEPORT.COM>
> Subject: Re: Video on bookbinding
>
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> Linda,
>
> Take a look at the Istor Productions and Guild of Book Workers links on
> my website (http://teleport.com/~tcl) there are a number of bookbinding
> and book conservation videotapes listed there.
>
> Jack
>
> >I have been teaching myself bookbinding by reading and experimenting. There
> >are a number of problems I am trying to overcome in attaching the hard cover
> >to the book block. Could anyone suggest a video showing the traditional
> >methods of bookbinding? I realize there are many ways of doing this but there
> >does seem to be one or two methods that have been most successful. If I could
> >
> >see the process I believe I could learn a lot.
> >
> >Thank You
> >Linda Rodgers
> >lincad1@aol.com
>
> Jack C. Thompson
> Thompson Conservation Lab.
> 7549 N. Fenwick
> Portland, Oregon  97217
>
> 503/735-3942  (voice/fax)
>
> www.teleport.com/~tcl
>
> "The lyfe so short; the craft so long to lerne."
> Chaucer  _Parlement of Foules_ 1386
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:18:06 -0800
> From:    "Jack C. Thompson" <tcl@TELEPORT.COM>
> Subject: Re: Help needed
>
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> Russell,
> The short answer is that they should probably be backed with Japanese
> paper using cooked wheat starch as the adhesive.
>
> But this is not something an untrained person should attempt because
> there are altogether too many things which can go wrong.
>
> The easiest thing is to sell them as they are and let the new owner take
> them to a paper conservator they trust for treatment.
>
> Alternatively, you can look for a paper conservator in your area and
> work through that person.
>
> Or, you can ship them to me; I'll examine them, generate a brief condition
> report and a treatment proposal spelling out what is to be done and the
> cost of treatment.  There is a examination charge, varying with the amount
> of material to be examined.
>
> Jack
>
> >Although this doesn't directly deal with books, I thought someone may be of
> >help to me.
> >
> >I have received from a museum library a number of portfolios with pages and
> >plates in fragile condition. I would like to preserve these by backing them.
> >What should I use and where can I find this material. Any suggestions will
> >be appreciated.
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >Russell R. duPont
> >Bookseller
> >41 Star Street
> >Whitman, MA 02382
>
> Jack C. Thompson
> Thompson Conservation Lab.
> 7549 N. Fenwick
> Portland, Oregon  97217
>
> 503/735-3942  (voice/fax)
>
> www.teleport.com/~tcl
>
> "The lyfe so short; the craft so long to lerne."
> Chaucer  _Parlement of Foules_ 1386
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 24 Dec 2001 06:57:44 -0500
> From:    Jules Siegel <siegel@CAFECANCUN.COM>
> Subject: Re: Video on bookbinding
>
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>            See The Exhibition Online, And Order Your Catalog.
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>
> > From: "Jack C. Thompson" <tcl@TELEPORT.COM>
> > Reply-To: "Book_Arts-L: READ THE FAQ at http://www.philobiblon.com"
> > <BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:18:06 -0800
> > To: BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Video on bookbinding
> >
> > ***********************************************
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> > See The Exhibition Online, And Order Your Catalog.
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> >
> > Linda,
> >
> > Take a look at the Istor Productions and Guild of Book Workers links on
> > my website (http://teleport.com/~tcl) there are a number of bookbinding
> > and book conservation videotapes listed there.
>
> I can't open this. Any ideas?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:57:16 -0500
> From:    Richard Minsky <minsky@MINSKY.COM>
> Subject: Re: Video on bookbinding
>
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>           CENTRAL NEW YORK BOOK ARTS: TRADITIONAL TO INNOVATIVE
>            See The Exhibition Online, And Order Your Catalog.
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>
> Jules Siegel wrote:
>
> > http://teleport.com/~tcl
>
> > I can't open this. Any ideas?
>
> Perhaps you have an older browser that doesn't strip the parentheses, or an
> e-mail program that broke it up and couldn't reassemble it as a clickable link.
> Also, if you failed in IE, try Netscape (or vice-versa). I stripped off the
> parentheses that were adjacent to the url (above). That may help you. Even with
> the parentheses, Netscape 4.6 had no trouble opening it.
>
> When sending a url in an email it helps some browsers if the url is on a
> separate line with no adjacent punctuation, where it won't get broken up by some
> e-mail programs that can't reassemble it as a clickable link.
> --
>
>  Richard
>  http://www.minsky.com
>  http://www.centerforbookarts.org
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:36:48 -0500
> From:    Katie Harper <knharper@FUSE.NET>
> Subject: Re: Video on bookbinding
>
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>           CENTRAL NEW YORK BOOK ARTS: TRADITIONAL TO INNOVATIVE
>            See The Exhibition Online, And Order Your Catalog.
>                       <http://www.philobiblon.com>
>              ***********************************************
>
> I had trouble opening this link too, (and I'm using Netscape 4.7) until I
> put www. in front of it, and then, voila.
>
> Katie Harper
> Ars Brevis Press
> Cincinnati, OH
> 513-233-9588
>
> Remember: Book arts will save the world!
>
> > From: Richard Minsky <minsky@MINSKY.COM>
> > Reply-To: "Book_Arts-L: READ THE FAQ at http://www.philobiblon.com"
> > <BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:57:16 -0500
> > To: BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Video on bookbinding
> >
> > ***********************************************
> > CENTRAL NEW YORK BOOK ARTS: TRADITIONAL TO INNOVATIVE
> > See The Exhibition Online, And Order Your Catalog.
> > <http://www.philobiblon.com>
> > ***********************************************
> >
> > Jules Siegel wrote:
> >
> >> http://teleport.com/~tcl
> >
> >> I can't open this. Any ideas?
> >
> > Perhaps you have an older browser that doesn't strip the parentheses, or an
> > e-mail program that broke it up and couldn't reassemble it as a clickable
> > link.
> > Also, if you failed in IE, try Netscape (or vice-versa). I stripped off the
> > parentheses that were adjacent to the url (above). That may help you. Even
> > with
> > the parentheses, Netscape 4.6 had no trouble opening it.
> >
> > When sending a url in an email it helps some browsers if the url is on a
> > separate line with no adjacent punctuation, where it won't get broken up by
> > some
> > e-mail programs that can't reassemble it as a clickable link.
> > --
> >
> > Richard
> > http://www.minsky.com
> > http://www.centerforbookarts.org
> >
> > ***********************************************
> > BOOK_ARTS-L: The listserv for all the book arts.
> > For subscription information, the Archive, and other related
> > resources and links go to the Book_Arts-L FAQ at:
> > <http://www.philobiblon.com>
> >
> > To unsubscribe, type the following into the message body:
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:42:42 -0600
> From:    RLists <rlists@BOZETT.NET>
> Subject: Re: Video on bookbinding
>
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> The link should be http://www.teleport.com/~tcl
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Katie Harper" <knharper@FUSE.NET>
> To: <BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 8:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Video on bookbinding
>
> >              ***********************************************
> >           CENTRAL NEW YORK BOOK ARTS: TRADITIONAL TO INNOVATIVE
> >            See The Exhibition Online, And Order Your Catalog.
> >                       <http://www.philobiblon.com>
> >              ***********************************************
> >
> > I had trouble opening this link too, (and I'm using Netscape 4.7) until I
> > put www. in front of it, and then, voila.
> >
> >
> > Katie Harper
> > Ars Brevis Press
> > Cincinnati, OH
> > 513-233-9588
> >
> > Remember: Book arts will save the world!
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: Richard Minsky <minsky@MINSKY.COM>
> > > Reply-To: "Book_Arts-L: READ THE FAQ at http://www.philobiblon.com"
> > > <BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> > > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:57:16 -0500
> > > To: BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: Video on bookbinding
> > >
> > > ***********************************************
> > > CENTRAL NEW YORK BOOK ARTS: TRADITIONAL TO INNOVATIVE
> > > See The Exhibition Online, And Order Your Catalog.
> > > <http://www.philobiblon.com>
> > > ***********************************************
> > >
> > > Jules Siegel wrote:
> > >
> > >> http://teleport.com/~tcl
> > >
> > >> I can't open this. Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Perhaps you have an older browser that doesn't strip the parentheses, or
> an
> > > e-mail program that broke it up and couldn't reassemble it as a
> clickable
> > > link.
> > > Also, if you failed in IE, try Netscape (or vice-versa). I stripped off
> the
> > > parentheses that were adjacent to the url (above). That may help you.
> Even
> > > with
> > > the parentheses, Netscape 4.6 had no trouble opening it.
> > >
> > > When sending a url in an email it helps some browsers if the url is on a
> > > separate line with no adjacent punctuation, where it won't get broken up
> by
> > > some
> > > e-mail programs that can't reassemble it as a clickable link.
> > > --
> > >
> > > Richard
> > > http://www.minsky.com
> > > http://www.centerforbookarts.org
> > >
> > > ***********************************************
> > > BOOK_ARTS-L: The listserv for all the book arts.
> > > For subscription information, the Archive, and other related
> > > resources and links go to the Book_Arts-L FAQ at:
> > > <http://www.philobiblon.com>
> > >
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> > > ***********************************************
> >
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:53:30 EST
> From:    Patricia Grass <PAGrass@AOL.COM>
> Subject: Re: Handmade Book Cloth
>
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>           CENTRAL NEW YORK BOOK ARTS: TRADITIONAL TO INNOVATIVE
>            See The Exhibition Online, And Order Your Catalog.
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>
> In a message dated 12/22/01 5:14:12 PM, rpatt@PEOPLEPC.COM writes:
>
> << 3) I use the book cloth backing method described in Japanese Bookbinding
>    by Kojiro Ikegami. It is involved but it's also authentic so I'd like
>    to stay with it. >>
>
> But you are not following his directions --you are using PVA instead of
> paste. Since you have changed the adhesive material anyway why not consider
> using fusible web. I've always had great results using the fusible web from a
> fabric store to bond the backing paper to the fabric.
>
> Patricia Grass
> Forest Grove, Oregon
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:54:50 -0500
> From:    Katie Harper <knharper@FUSE.NET>
> Subject: Re: Video on bookbinding
>
>              ***********************************************
>           CENTRAL NEW YORK BOOK ARTS: TRADITIONAL TO INNOVATIVE
>            See The Exhibition Online, And Order Your Catalog.
>                       <http://www.philobiblon.com>
>              ***********************************************
>
> Looks like a great wealth of information available from the Guild on various
> bookbinding techniques. Does anyone on this list know if there are also
> videotapes available somewhere for letterpress printing? I have had a few
> people ask for such things and have not been able to find them, so I thought
> about doing one myself (in my spare time...)
>
> Katie Harper
> Ars Brevis Press
> Cincinnati, OH
> 513-233-9588
>
> Remember: Book arts will save the world!
>
> > From: "Jack C. Thompson" <tcl@TELEPORT.COM>
> > Reply-To: "Book_Arts-L: READ THE FAQ at http://www.philobiblon.com"
> > <BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:18:06 -0800
> > To: BOOK_ARTS-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Video on bookbinding
> >
> > ***********************************************
> > CENTRAL NEW YORK BOOK ARTS: TRADITIONAL TO INNOVATIVE
> > See The Exhibition Online, And Order Your Catalog.
> > <http://www.philobiblon.com>
> > ***********************************************
> >
> > Linda,
> >
> > Take a look at the Istor Productions and Guild of Book Workers links on
> > my website (http://teleport.com/~tcl) there are a number of bookbinding
> > and book conservation videotapes listed there.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >> I have been teaching myself bookbinding by reading and experimenting. There
> >> are a number of problems I am trying to overcome in attaching the hard cover
> >> to the book block. Could anyone suggest a video showing the traditional
> >> methods of bookbinding? I realize there are many ways of doing this but there
> >> does seem to be one or two methods that have been most successful. If I could
> >>
> >> see the process I believe I could learn a lot.
> >>
> >> Thank You
> >> Linda Rodgers
> >> lincad1@aol.com
> >
> >
> > Jack C. Thompson
> > Thompson Conservation Lab.
> > 7549 N. Fenwick
> > Portland, Oregon  97217
> >
> > 503/735-3942  (voice/fax)
> >
> > www.teleport.com/~tcl
> >
> >
> > "The lyfe so short; the craft so long to lerne."
> > Chaucer  _Parlement of Foules_ 1386
> >
> > ***********************************************
> > BOOK_ARTS-L: The listserv for all the book arts.
> > For subscription information, the Archive, and other related
> > resources and links go to the Book_Arts-L FAQ at:
> > <http://www.philobiblon.com>
> >
> > To unsubscribe, type the following into the message body:
> > UNSUB Book_Arts-L AND SEND TO: LISTSERV@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > Or click here <mailto:listserv@listserv.syr.edu?body=unsub book_arts-l>
> > ***********************************************
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 24 Dec 2001 16:19:38 -0800
> From:    Robert Patterson <rpatt@PEOPLEPC.COM>
> Subject: Backing Book Cloth
>
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>
> I have been using a fairly heavy Japanese handmade paper for backing book
> cloth. It has an uncomfortable bulk but is only about $5 a sheet at the
> local art store. I would like to use 'usumino' paper because of its lighter
> weight and excellent strength but the online sources I have checked price it
> at about $25 a sheet.
>
> I have been tempted to use the rolled 'kozo' paper designed for sumi-e brush
> painting but I do not think that there is enough strength in the paper. It
> is mulberry but does not appear to have especially long fibers.
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions for something in between 'heavy & cheap'
> and 'light & expensive.'
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob Patterson
> Portland, OR
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:25:21 -0500
> From:    "Peter D. Verheyen" <verheyen@PHILOBIBLON.COM>
> Subject: Re: Backing Book Cloth
>
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>           CENTRAL NEW YORK BOOK ARTS: TRADITIONAL TO INNOVATIVE
>            See The Exhibition Online, And Order Your Catalog.
>                       <http://www.philobiblon.com>
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>
> I don't think it matters, and have only really considered the backing
> tissue to act as a barrier between the adhesive used to attach the cloth to
> the boards/case and the actual cloth. As an adhesive I always use paste
> (doesn't work well with synthetics). Drying is done under tension with the
> edges being adhered to the bench, or on mylar (tissue side to film). When
> dry, peel off.
>
> In a nutshell though, I wouldn't waste good paper for lining new cloth...
> In conservation it's a different matter though.
>
> p.
>
> >I would appreciate any suggestions for something in between 'heavy & cheap'
> >and 'light & expensive.'
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Bob Patterson
> >Portland, OR
>
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> ------------------------------
>
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