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Re: [BKARTS] art



>*of Net-Art (whether or not people agree it exists)*

please delete (whether or not people agree it exists)! reads and
sounds too exclusive.....:/



On 1/25/06, Paul Bettinson <paul.bettinson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I think that to try and find equivalents between techniques of bookbinding
> and Net-Art is fruitful for only about 5 mins and after that the idea
> becomes abti tedious in trying to tease out those equivalents between what I
> reason to be two completely different reading spaces.
>
> Of course, there are many different 'types'(?) of reading spaces----- the
> book (illusionary narrative), mail art (psychogeographic), Net-Art
> (private/public), etc...whether or not shopping lists are involved.
>
> As our model(s) of "reading" becomes less linear and increasingly
> multilayered we could prehaps begin to see how the USE of the book (content
> of, form of, politics of..) and the USE of Net-Art (whether or not people
> agree it exists) and the USE of other reading spaces in society can be
> creatively played with to learn more about how to develop the interplay of
> the codex and the code of content.
>
> The bound book, structures a particular reading space (narrative) for me.
> I could take that book --prehaps a downloaded PDF from a political party or
> a manifesto of somesort -- and do anything with it to make another reading
> space particular to its now altered content. Prehaps to freeze it to change
> its molecular structure. In addition I may also code an interactive
> touch-screen reading space on a computer monitor and then upload to a
> website as well so others can change the temp. of the freezer! My point is
> ---however bad my example! and sure you will point this out! --- that
> information, where ever it is recieved and read does not stop at the
> back-cover of a book or start at the computer screen home-page. Is it the
> fourth law of thermodynamics(?? help!? deep water) that says energy cannot
> be created, but directed...information being energy in this example of
> course...
> I would just like to develop the ideas of self-publishing, of booked art,
> the multiple art-work to look for the reading spaces/narratives that create
> the experiences that help us to question and learn further.  Its not for me
> what constitutes a bookwork or if computer programming is a bookwork with
> Net-Art (...) but to look for more nuances and narrative spaces between
> these genres....
>
> Please forgive me if I reapeat mytext unnessecarily.
>
> best to you all
>
> Paul B
>
>  On 1/25/06, Richard Minsky <minsky@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > The Internet is my favorite book.
> >
> > Code is the thread that binds the pages together.  When I made the
> > first book art website in 1993 I was very excited that I could use
> > html code as binding thread. Like Michael, I am a computer geezer. I
> > started off programming an IBM 360 in machine language in 1964. Now
> > there are many forms of code, as there are many forms of bookbinding.
> > We have perl, java, javascript, etc.
> >
> > I would not agree, however, that it is not art because it has a
> > commercial purpose.  There are many kinds of art. Commercial Art is a
> > big field.  And some TV commercials transcend their pecuniary
> > function and become iconic artworks of the culture. Some are
> > entertainment. Some are hilarious. The reason I titled this thread
> > "art" with no modifier is that it raises the fundamental question
> > that some have stated--when do we call it art.
> >
> > It further goes toward our field wide nomenclature: Book Art is a
> > subset of Book Arts. The latter includes industrial arts, hand
> > crafts, etc. When the metaphoric content of a work is enhanced or
> > furthered by the materials, form and images, then we call it Book
> > Art.  We distinguish between Fine Art, Decorative Art and
> > Illustration. I've written and spoken a lot about this.
> >
> > So we have two different questions posed by Peter and Michael: Is it
> > a book?, and is it art?
> >
> > Whether it's good or not is another question. But it may be THE
> > question. Rose Slivka said "If it's good, it's art. If it's not, who
> > cares?"
> >
> > --
> > Richard
> > http://minsky.com
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