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Re: [BKARTS] PVA



Does anyone know the corresponding Ph for Elmer's white glue?  The dried product tests acidic, and the wet product
smells, to me, like acietic acid.

Beth Lee wrote:
> 
> Felice,
> 
> I did a quick run through the Internet and found the following:
> 
> Elmer's Wood Glue contains wood flour and has a pH of 5.
>         http://www.elmers.com/products/msds/ME720.HTM
> 
> A neutral pH = 7, and anything less than 7 is is acidic.
>         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH
> Wood flour is fine sawdust, sometimes used as an extender for adhesives.
>         http://www.dreamghar.com/w1dic.htm
> 
> Those two things would be enough to discourage me from using it in
> something I want to last.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Beth Lee
> Tallahasee, Florida
> www.callibeth.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Book_Arts-L [mailto:BOOK_ARTS-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Felice Lau
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:11 AM
> To: BOOK_ARTS-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [BKARTS] PVA
> 
> hi all--
> i just brought up the issue of wood-glue PVA vs.
> bookarts PVA b/c i was wondering if anyone knew the
> exact chemical difference b/t the two types of glue. I
> think i'll do some more research & let the list know
> when i've found something more concrete (no pun
> intended!).
> Thanks!
> felice lau in Ann Arbor, MI
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> > Date:    Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:09:00 -0600
> > From:    Karen Hanmer <karen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Chicago Hand Bookbinders Exhibition Opens
> > in Milwaukee
> >
> > Chicago Hand Bookbinders Books About Books
> > Exhibition Opens in Milwaukee
> >
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> > Date:    Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:49:54 -0800
> > From:    Sarah Horowitz <beyond4s@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: pva
> >
> > While we're on the subject of pva, what about YES
> > paste? Does anyone know if it is archival or at
> > least
> > suitable for paper? I find it very convenient when I
> > need something that is tacky right away and doesn't
> > run or buckle the paper. Specifically, I have some
> > Japanese papers that are beautiful but rather small
> > and want to attach them to make one larger sheet for
> > drawing on (and eventually will be hung and
> > exhibited
> > so it needs to be permanent). YES paste seems to be
> > the easiest to work with. Any other suggestions?
> > thanks,
> > sarah
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> > Date:    Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:06:14 -0500
> > From:    Lavinia Adler <laviniaa@xxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: pva
> >
> > Stay away from Yes paste for any project you wish to
> > last. That's
> > according to a multitude of people on this list who
> > have experience with
> > it. I think one of the problems is that it turns
> > brown relatively soon.
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> > Date:    Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:06:56 -0800
> > From:    Guffey <dguff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Substitute for YES Paste
> >
> > For adhering thin paper (tissue and otherwise) I
> > have had very good luck =
> > with Rollataq Adhesive.  It can be used with the
> > applicator or, I've =
> > used it quite successfully directly from the bottle
> > with a small brush.  =
> > It is low tack, which allows you to reposition glued
> > items, which I find =
> > is a plus. According to the label "it forms a clear,
> > film coating that =
> > will not bleed through--even thin paper. The coating
> > is not sticky, =
> > making repositioning easy. Material remains
> > positionable for 10 minutes. =
> > Then, roll it down for a strong, permanent bond. It
> > is Non-toxic, No =
> > fumes, Acid free, Non-yellowing."=20
> >
> > d.guffey=20
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> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> >   From: Sarah Horowitz=20
> >   To: BOOK_ARTS-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> >   Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 9:49 AM
> >   Subject: Re: [BKARTS] pva
> >
> >
> >   While we're on the subject of pva, what about YES
> >   paste? Does anyone know if it is archival or at
> > least
> >   suitable for paper? I find it very convenient when
> > I
> >   need something that is tacky right away and
> > doesn't
> >   run or buckle the paper. Specifically, I have some
> >   Japanese papers that are beautiful but rather
> > small
> >   and want to attach them to make one larger sheet
> > for
> >   drawing on (and eventually will be hung and
> > exhibited
> >   so it needs to be permanent). YES paste seems to
> > be
> >   the easiest to work with. Any other suggestions?
> >   thanks,
> >   sarah
> >
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> > Date:    Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:49:18 -0500
> > From:    "Paul W. Romaine" <romaine@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Books for sale / Irwin Primer
> >
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> > 1)  Benson, John Howard. THE FIRST WRITING BOOK:=20
> > ARRIGHI=92S OPERINA. (Second study in the History=20
> > of Calligraphy, Harvard College & Newberry=20
> > Libraries). New Haven: Yale U. Press, (1954)=20
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> > modern calligraphers.     $4.00
> >
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> > 1983.=20
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> >
> > 4)  [Exhibition catalogue] JOHANNES GUTENBERG=20
> > 1400-1468: EL ARTE DE IMPRIMIR TRANSFORMA EL=20
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> > present.          $7.00
> >
> > 5)  Fairbank, Alfred.  A BOOK OF SCRIPTS.=20
> > Harmondsworth, England: Penguin Books,=20
> > 1949.  Paper-covered boards, with some chipping=20
> > at top and bottom of spine. No d/j. Except for=20
> > owner=92s inscription and date on flyleaf, the=20
> > pages are clean and unmarked.     Fine examples=20
> > of writing from the second to the twentieth=20
> > century, A.D.; 64 plates and other illustrations.
> >            $2.00
> >
> > 6)  Fairbank, Alfred.  A HANDWRITING MANUAL.  NY:=20
> > Watson-Guptill Publications, 1975.  Soft-covers;=20
> > tight and clean; completely unmarked.
> >  $3.00
> >
> > 7)  Gill, Cecil; Beatrice Warde and David=20
> > Kindersley.  THE LIFE AND WORKS OF ERIC GILL.=20
> > Papers read at a Clark Library Symposium, 22=20
> > April 1967.  Los Angeles: University of=20
> > California, Los Angeles, William Andrews Clark=20
> > Memorial Library, 1968.  Contains Beatrice=20
> > Warde=92s essay, =93Eric Gill, Typographer.=94  A=20
> > 72-page paper-covered tribute to Eric=20
> > Gill.  Paper covers beginning to brown somewhat,=20
> > but the text is clean and tight.
> > $5.00
> >
> > 8)  Gray, Bill.  LETTERING TIPS FOR ARTISTS,=20
> > GRAPHIC DESIGNERS AND CALLIGRAPHERS. NY: Van=20
> > Nostrand, Reinhold Co., 1980.    Soft covers, very
> > good condition.     $3.00
> >
> > 9)  INCUNABULA SIXTEENTH CENTURY BOOKS CATALOGUE=20
> > 10.  Nieuwkoop (Holland): Antiquariat DeGraaf,=20
> > n.d.         Paper-covered catalogue; 64 pp. of=20
> > text with numerous illustrations.  Good condition.
> >         $3.00
> >
> > 10)  Johnston, Edward.  WRITING AND ILLUMINATING=20
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> > Corp., 1946 (first published in=20
> > 1905).  Hardcovers. Clean text and tight binding;=20
> > dust jacket repaired with =93invisible=94 tape.
> > $5.00
> >
> > 11)  THE JOURNAL OF THE SOCIETY FOR ITALIC=20
> > HANDWRITING.   35 issues (no. 32 to no. 78, with=20
> > gaps), published between Autumn 1962 and Spring=20
> > 1974.     $5.00 for all 35 issues.
> >
> > 12)  Kushner, Lawrence.  THE BOOK OF LETTERS: A=20
> > MYSTICAL ALEF-BAIT.   NY: Harper & Row,=20
> > 1975.  Hardback, with good dust=20
> > jacket.  Discusses mystical meanings associated=20
> > with letters of the Hebrew alphabet, with=20
> > Kushner=92s own calligraphy throughout.     $4.00
> >
> > 13)  Lehner, Ernest.  ALPHABETS AND ORNAMENTS.=20
> > NY: Dover Publications, Inc., 1968.  A=20
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> > soft-covered with scuff marks on front cover and=20
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> > Binding is firm and interior pages are unmarked=20
> > and clean, with not even an owner=92s signature.
> >         $15.00
> >
> > 14)  Morris, William.  A BOOK OF VERSE. A=20
> > facsimile in color of the manuscript written in=20
> > 1870 by William Morris. NY: Distributed by Crown=20
> > Publishers, Inc. for Clarkson N. Potter,=20
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> > of Morris=92s lettering and decorative art.
> >       $5.00
> >
> > 15)  Meynell, Francis.  ENGLISH PRINTED=20
> > BOOKS.  London: Collins, 1948.  Very good=20
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> > in black and white. Dust jacket has one small=20
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> >
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> > Errata slip is tipped in. Pages beginning to=20
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> > Slight fraying of cloth at top and bottom of=20
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> > essay =93The Art of Printing at Venice during the=20
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> > this=20
> > volume.                  $40.00
> >
> > 17)  THREE CLASSICS OF ITALIAN CALLIGRAPHY:=20
> > ARRIGHI, TALIENTE AND PALATINO.  With an=20
> > introduction by Oscar Ogg.  NY: Dover=20
> > Publications Inc., 1953.  Photographic reprints=20
> > of three masterpieces of sixteenth-century=20
> > Italian calligraphy, Binding tight, and all pages=20
> > are clean and unmarked.  In very good condition,=20
> > for a fifty-year-old paperback.     $4.00
> >
> > 18)  Updike, Daniel Berkeley.  PRINTING TYPES:=20
> > THEIR HISTORY, FORMS, AND USE.  Two=20
> > volumes.  Cambridge, MA: The Belknap Press of=20
> > Harvard University Press, 1966.  Very good=20
> > condition with two very good dust=20
> > jackets.                                   $8.00 the
> > set
> >
> > 19)  Ullman, Berthold Louis.  ANCIENT WRITING AND=20
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> > 1969.  Intro. by Julain Brown.  Paperback; ex=20
> > library copy with usual stampings; first=20
> > published in 1932.  Owner=92s signature on front=20
> > flyleaf; otherwise the text is clean and the binding
> > is firm.     $2.00
> >
> > 20)  Van Mo=E9, Emile-A.  THE DECORATED LETTER
> > FROM=20
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> > du Ch=EAne, 1950.  The hardcover is soiled from=20
> > years of use by a practicing artist and letterer.=20
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> > X 9.5 inches. Richly illustrated, with many color=20
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> >
> > 21)  Whalley, Joyce Irene.  ENGLISH HANDWRITING=20
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> > privileged access to that institution=92s=20
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> > anyone studying the development of writing styles=20
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> >
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