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Re: [BKARTS] Bookart?



Søren open a can worms here.

It is obvious that definitions are a necessary first step.
And Clive Philpot's definitions sent by Marnie Powers-Torrey
seem about right.

The definition hits the fan when the definitions are ignored.

The ugly specter of loose definitions rears its ugly head
probably for several reasons, the least of which has to do with creative freedom.
More likely the artist is not particularly aware of the definition of the medium he/she is working in.
Perhaps the object crosses several media.
Most of all, every media wants access to the market of every other media
so in order to gain access to the market of Artist's Books
an Bookart or Bookobject is labeled Artist Book.


This is further confused by the fact that most collecting institutions
want to lump for organizational purposes.
Libraries love the lump.

So they call everything and anything an artist's book.
Especially if it is a not-for-reading book-like object

Now we have a serious marketing problem
that wastes a lot of time and expense on everyone's part.

But I do believe that Sørens point has to do with the distinction
between what is read and what is viewed
and that the what is read market is being strangled by the view market
and therein lies
a can of worms.

michael


----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Joseph" <mjoseph@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <BOOK_ARTS-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: Bookart?



You're absolutely right, Peter, but so is Gregory. In 12 years of listening to book artists talk about their work, I can tell you that most do not reference academic definitions, and are most verbally expressive and unstintingly admired when they diverge from the Big Picture perspective on their work. Their own self-criticism and social critiques come through in the consistent and imaginative use of their own terminology (and idiolects), though they draw on a general art critical lexicon. So, it's useful to have the standard definitions out there, as you suggest, but it is creative suicide to take them too seriously ;-)

Michael


On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Peter Verheyen wrote:


For productive dialog and critical analyses we need to agree on definitions. Otherwise, both are (almost) pointless.

In terms of stifling creativity, definitions only do that if you let them. You just have to be prepared to discuss or describe the work, an entirely different challenge, and one most (book) artists have problems with.

p.
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Definitions stifle creativity :-)


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