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Re: [BKARTS] craft standards, poor books

Well said, Mary Lee,
I do think that intention is important, and recognizing what class of objects we are looking at, or listening to. For example an Opera singer might not be the best voice for blues,
Does Van Morrison have a "good" voice? Or Tom Waits? The critics have been lambasting Bob Dylan for years. But he is still around and the Brothers 4 are long gone. I do agree that art is determined by society over a period of time. Until then we remain printmakers, or ceramists, or book makers.

Charlie J

On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:48 PM, MaryLee Knowlton wrote:

There is also, related to this discussion, the concept of what modernist literary critics once called the fallacy of imitative form. A writer might demonstrate that a character is a bore by having her whine on for eight pages about her cat, for example, tipping the balance in favor of boring the reader rather than creating a character. This was considered a bad thing. Though post- modernisim has changed the writer/reader contract, it might be useful to look at this fallacy in old modernist terms when we think about illustrating the concept of, say, rusticity by creating something with rustic properties, or addressing the subject of craftsmanship through craftsmanship.
Also useful, for discussion purposes if not for book making, is the logical fallacy of begging the question. This consists of using the question to answer itself as in," The Bible is the word of God because the Bible says it is the word of God." In our discussion, it might take the form of "This book is fine art because I am a fine-art artist, regardless of the techniques or materials I used this time." Or this is a work of art because I intend it to be and I'm the artist." Nowhere with this rhetorical construct is there room for the viewer's opinion, just the artist's. And it seems to me Charlie wants the viewer to understand his intent without reference to anything outside the book as an object, surely a modernist inclination. It seems to me that removing rusticity and craftsmanship as concrete considerations and representing them metaphorically takes away some of the walls you're running into.

MaryLee Knowlton

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