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Re: [BKARTS] Wheat Paste



Actually, I think this message is for rj..... :)

Barbara


On 1/9/08, Dave Allen <allen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi Barbara,
> Can you put a picture up on your web site of the problem. If we can see
> it, we can probably diagnose your problem better. It sounds like you are
> not setting the endpapers properly.
> Dave
>
> Beddall Bookbinding Conservation & Restoration
> 840 Snowdrop Ave. Victoria BC V8Z 2N4
> (250)888-9380    http://www.Bookbinder.ca
>
>
>
> Barbara Simler wrote:
> > No, I didn't have any problem with bunching paper. After I glued the
> paper
> > on, I put the leather in my book press and let it dry overnight, and it
> > worked fine.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/8/08, rj <h9022@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> When you line the entire cover do you have any problems with the paper
> >> bunching
> >> or trying to pull apart from the leather when the cover closes? If so
> do
> >> you
> >> just "live with it" so to speak or do you take steps to mitigate the
> >> paper's
> >> tendency to do that.
> >>
> >> rj
> >>
> >> --- Barbara Simler <moonbindery@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Yes, I do long stitch, also cross stitch bindings. I usually just use
> >>>
> >> paper
> >>
> >>> on the sides facing the book, but sometimes line the entire
> >>>
> >> cover--depends
> >>
> >>> on the project.
> >>>
> >>> Barbara
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 1/8/08, rj <h9022@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Sounds like you have done what I want to do. Are you doing something
> >>>>
> >> like
> >>
> >>>> a
> >>>> long stitch binding?  If that is it do you line the entire leather
> >>>>
> >> cover
> >>
> >>>> in
> >>>> paper or just the the sides facing the book block or what.
> >>>>
> >>>> rj
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Barbara Simler <moonbindery@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I use leather to make books with limp bindings, so don't usually use
> >>>>> adhesives at all, except sometimes to attach endpapers to the inside
> >>>>>
> >> of
> >>
> >>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>> covers. PVA has worked pretty well for this, but I can definitely
> >>>>>
> >> see
> >>
> >>>> how it
> >>>>
> >>>>> would be important to use paste if you're doing hardcover books.
> >>>>>
> >> Next
> >>
> >>>> time
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm attaching endpapers, I think I'll try out the PVA/paste mix and
> >>>>>
> >> just
> >>
> >>>>> paste options, and see how they work.  Thanks for your comments!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Barbara
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 1/7/08, Carol Pratt <jcpratt@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Paste allows the leather to be manipulated in a way that isn't
> >>>>>> possible with PVA.  With proper paring pasted corners become
> >>>>>>
> >> nearly
> >>
> >>>>>> invisible, and the leather moulds to the boards.  Endcaps are easy
> >>>>>>
> >> to
> >>
> >>>>>> shape, and the leather stays where you've put it, while it was
> >>>>>>
> >> wet.
> >>
> >>>>>> Signa's description of the process is very good, but it does take
> >>>>>> practice to do it well.  Like most skills, it isn't quite as easy
> >>>>>>
> >> as
> >>
> >>>>>> it sounds or looks, but it's the best way to adhere leather.  I
> >>>>>> wouldn't do it any other way.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Leather tanned for purposes other than bookbinding may not work
> >>>>>>
> >> with
> >>
> >>>>>> paste, which is why most of us don't use the odd stuff.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Carol Pratt
> >>>>>> Eugene, OR
> >>>>>> ======
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 7, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Scott Coutts wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Barbara Simler wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 1/6/08, Scott Coutts <scott.coutts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >> Do
> >>
> >>>>>>>> you find
> >>>>>>>> that the paste/PVA combination works best for pasting paper to
> >>>>>>>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>>>>> flesh
> >>>>>>>> side of leather? I have used straight PVA, which is flexible
> >>>>>>>> enough to work
> >>>>>>>> pretty well. I'm just wondering what advantage there is to
> >>>>>>>>
> >> adding
> >>
> >>>>>>>> paste to
> >>>>>>>> the PVA (other than extending the drying time).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I do use it primarily for extending the drying time, but I think
> >>>>>>>
> >> it
> >>
> >>>>>>> soaks into the leather a bit better too. I like to have the
> >>>>>>>
> >> paste
> >>
> >>>>>>> soak into the leather quite well. Also, I use paste+pva for a
> >>>>>>>
> >> lot
> >>
> >>>>>>> of my work so it's convenient :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Scott
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Barbara Simler
> >>>>> Moon Bindery
> >>>>> Kamloops, BC
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> >>>
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> >
> >
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-- 
Barbara Simler
Moon Bindery
Kamloops, BC
http://moonbindery.etsy.com
http//:moonbindery.blogspot.com

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