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Re: [BKARTS] Wheat Paste



Actually I have not had the problem yet as I have yet to do it. The question I
asked was based on an anticipated/possible problem. After I do paste the paper
to the leather make the book I will post a picture if this problem arises.
Where to post it is another issue but I will find someplace.

rj

--- Barbara Simler <moonbindery@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Actually, I think this message is for rj..... :)
> 
> Barbara
> 
> 
> On 1/9/08, Dave Allen <allen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Barbara,
> > Can you put a picture up on your web site of the problem. If we can see
> > it, we can probably diagnose your problem better. It sounds like you are
> > not setting the endpapers properly.
> > Dave
> >
> > Beddall Bookbinding Conservation & Restoration
> > 840 Snowdrop Ave. Victoria BC V8Z 2N4
> > (250)888-9380    http://www.Bookbinder.ca
> >
> >
> >
> > Barbara Simler wrote:
> > > No, I didn't have any problem with bunching paper. After I glued the
> > paper
> > > on, I put the leather in my book press and let it dry overnight, and it
> > > worked fine.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/8/08, rj <h9022@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > >> When you line the entire cover do you have any problems with the paper
> > >> bunching
> > >> or trying to pull apart from the leather when the cover closes? If so
> > do
> > >> you
> > >> just "live with it" so to speak or do you take steps to mitigate the
> > >> paper's
> > >> tendency to do that.
> > >>
> > >> rj
> > >>
> > >> --- Barbara Simler <moonbindery@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Yes, I do long stitch, also cross stitch bindings. I usually just use
> > >>>
> > >> paper
> > >>
> > >>> on the sides facing the book, but sometimes line the entire
> > >>>
> > >> cover--depends
> > >>
> > >>> on the project.
> > >>>
> > >>> Barbara
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 1/8/08, rj <h9022@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Sounds like you have done what I want to do. Are you doing something
> > >>>>
> > >> like
> > >>
> > >>>> a
> > >>>> long stitch binding?  If that is it do you line the entire leather
> > >>>>
> > >> cover
> > >>
> > >>>> in
> > >>>> paper or just the the sides facing the book block or what.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> rj
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --- Barbara Simler <moonbindery@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I use leather to make books with limp bindings, so don't usually use
> > >>>>> adhesives at all, except sometimes to attach endpapers to the inside
> > >>>>>
> > >> of
> > >>
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> covers. PVA has worked pretty well for this, but I can definitely
> > >>>>>
> > >> see
> > >>
> > >>>> how it
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> would be important to use paste if you're doing hardcover books.
> > >>>>>
> > >> Next
> > >>
> > >>>> time
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I'm attaching endpapers, I think I'll try out the PVA/paste mix and
> > >>>>>
> > >> just
> > >>
> > >>>>> paste options, and see how they work.  Thanks for your comments!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Barbara
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 1/7/08, Carol Pratt <jcpratt@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Paste allows the leather to be manipulated in a way that isn't
> > >>>>>> possible with PVA.  With proper paring pasted corners become
> > >>>>>>
> > >> nearly
> > >>
> > >>>>>> invisible, and the leather moulds to the boards.  Endcaps are easy
> > >>>>>>
> > >> to
> > >>
> > >>>>>> shape, and the leather stays where you've put it, while it was
> > >>>>>>
> > >> wet.
> > >>
> > >>>>>> Signa's description of the process is very good, but it does take
> > >>>>>> practice to do it well.  Like most skills, it isn't quite as easy
> > >>>>>>
> > >> as
> > >>
> > >>>>>> it sounds or looks, but it's the best way to adhere leather.  I
> > >>>>>> wouldn't do it any other way.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Leather tanned for purposes other than bookbinding may not work
> > >>>>>>
> > >> with
> > >>
> > >>>>>> paste, which is why most of us don't use the odd stuff.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Carol Pratt
> > >>>>>> Eugene, OR
> > >>>>>> ======
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Jan 7, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Scott Coutts wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Barbara Simler wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 1/6/08, Scott Coutts <scott.coutts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> Do
> > >>
> > >>>>>>>> you find
> > >>>>>>>> that the paste/PVA combination works best for pasting paper to
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> the
> > >>
> > >>>>>>>> flesh
> > >>>>>>>> side of leather? I have used straight PVA, which is flexible
> > >>>>>>>> enough to work
> > >>>>>>>> pretty well. I'm just wondering what advantage there is to
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >> adding
> > >>
> > >>>>>>>> paste to
> > >>>>>>>> the PVA (other than extending the drying time).
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I do use it primarily for extending the drying time, but I think
> > >>>>>>>
> > >> it
> > >>
> > >>>>>>> soaks into the leather a bit better too. I like to have the
> > >>>>>>>
> > >> paste
> > >>
> > >>>>>>> soak into the leather quite well. Also, I use paste+pva for a
> > >>>>>>>
> > >> lot
> > >>
> > >>>>>>> of my work so it's convenient :)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Scott
> > >>>>>>>
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