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Re: [BKARTS] Wheat Paste



Hopefully you won't have any problems, rj, but if you do, you could post
pics on Flickr.
Best of luck with your pasting.....

Barbara


On 1/9/08, rj <h9022@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Actually I have not had the problem yet as I have yet to do it. The
> question I
> asked was based on an anticipated/possible problem. After I do paste the
> paper
> to the leather make the book I will post a picture if this problem arises.
> Where to post it is another issue but I will find someplace.
>
> rj
>
> --- Barbara Simler <moonbindery@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Actually, I think this message is for rj..... :)
> >
> > Barbara
> >
> >
> > On 1/9/08, Dave Allen <allen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Barbara,
> > > Can you put a picture up on your web site of the problem. If we can
> see
> > > it, we can probably diagnose your problem better. It sounds like you
> are
> > > not setting the endpapers properly.
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > Beddall Bookbinding Conservation & Restoration
> > > 840 Snowdrop Ave. Victoria BC V8Z 2N4
> > > (250)888-9380    http://www.Bookbinder.ca
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Barbara Simler wrote:
> > > > No, I didn't have any problem with bunching paper. After I glued the
> > > paper
> > > > on, I put the leather in my book press and let it dry overnight, and
> it
> > > > worked fine.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 1/8/08, rj <h9022@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> When you line the entire cover do you have any problems with the
> paper
> > > >> bunching
> > > >> or trying to pull apart from the leather when the cover closes? If
> so
> > > do
> > > >> you
> > > >> just "live with it" so to speak or do you take steps to mitigate
> the
> > > >> paper's
> > > >> tendency to do that.
> > > >>
> > > >> rj
> > > >>
> > > >> --- Barbara Simler <moonbindery@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Yes, I do long stitch, also cross stitch bindings. I usually just
> use
> > > >>>
> > > >> paper
> > > >>
> > > >>> on the sides facing the book, but sometimes line the entire
> > > >>>
> > > >> cover--depends
> > > >>
> > > >>> on the project.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Barbara
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 1/8/08, rj <h9022@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Sounds like you have done what I want to do. Are you doing
> something
> > > >>>>
> > > >> like
> > > >>
> > > >>>> a
> > > >>>> long stitch binding?  If that is it do you line the entire
> leather
> > > >>>>
> > > >> cover
> > > >>
> > > >>>> in
> > > >>>> paper or just the the sides facing the book block or what.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> rj
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --- Barbara Simler <moonbindery@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> I use leather to make books with limp bindings, so don't usually
> use
> > > >>>>> adhesives at all, except sometimes to attach endpapers to the
> inside
> > > >>>>>
> > > >> of
> > > >>
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> covers. PVA has worked pretty well for this, but I can
> definitely
> > > >>>>>
> > > >> see
> > > >>
> > > >>>> how it
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> would be important to use paste if you're doing hardcover books.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >> Next
> > > >>
> > > >>>> time
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> I'm attaching endpapers, I think I'll try out the PVA/paste mix
> and
> > > >>>>>
> > > >> just
> > > >>
> > > >>>>> paste options, and see how they work.  Thanks for your comments!
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Barbara
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On 1/7/08, Carol Pratt <jcpratt@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Paste allows the leather to be manipulated in a way that isn't
> > > >>>>>> possible with PVA.  With proper paring pasted corners become
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >> nearly
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>> invisible, and the leather moulds to the boards.  Endcaps are
> easy
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >> to
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>> shape, and the leather stays where you've put it, while it was
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >> wet.
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>> Signa's description of the process is very good, but it does
> take
> > > >>>>>> practice to do it well.  Like most skills, it isn't quite as
> easy
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >> as
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>> it sounds or looks, but it's the best way to adhere leather.  I
> > > >>>>>> wouldn't do it any other way.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Leather tanned for purposes other than bookbinding may not work
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >> with
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>> paste, which is why most of us don't use the odd stuff.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Carol Pratt
> > > >>>>>> Eugene, OR
> > > >>>>>> ======
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Jan 7, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Scott Coutts wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Barbara Simler wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On 1/6/08, Scott Coutts <scott.coutts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> Do
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>>>> you find
> > > >>>>>>>> that the paste/PVA combination works best for pasting paper
> to
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> the
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>>>> flesh
> > > >>>>>>>> side of leather? I have used straight PVA, which is flexible
> > > >>>>>>>> enough to work
> > > >>>>>>>> pretty well. I'm just wondering what advantage there is to
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >> adding
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>>>> paste to
> > > >>>>>>>> the PVA (other than extending the drying time).
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I do use it primarily for extending the drying time, but I
> think
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >> it
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>>> soaks into the leather a bit better too. I like to have the
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >> paste
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>>> soak into the leather quite well. Also, I use paste+pva for a
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >> lot
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>>> of my work so it's convenient :)
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Scott
> > > >>>>>>>
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Barbara Simler
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